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[00/03/26 글 옮김] CSICOP 포럼 사례 , 식물의 신비로운 생활   글쓴이 : kopsa     날짜 : 00-10-01 17:36     조회 : 4110     [00/03/26 글 옮김] CSICOP 포럼 사례, 식물의 신비로운 생활 CSICOP 홈페이지(www.csicop.org)를 자세히 보면 그곳에도 채팅과 포럼 이 준비돼 있습니다. 그곳 포럼을 한가지 택하여 임의로 편집하여 이곳에 게시합니다. 우선 우리도 '회원 한마디'에 이런 것을 포함시켜 진행하고 조 금 후에 '회원 포럼'으로 옮기면 어떨까 합니다. 물론 '회원 한마디'에는 무 엇이건 쓸 수 있습니다.  ..... 1 ..... Subject: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 06/30/1999 Author: rebb4019 Hello: I've been searching for criticism about a book called "The Secret Lives of Plants" by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. Haven't found any. Can anyone help me?  Thank you, Rebecca Bryant ....... 2 .... Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 06/30/1999 Author: clawed_le_mew Personally, I thought it was one of Stevie Wonder's better albums.. The book is actually actually "The Secret Life (not Lives) of Plants". Bird has his own website http://www.christopherbird.com : "Founded by Mr. Bird in the Blue Ridge Mountains of North Georgia. Director Shabari Bird and staff continue research into areas of frontier science, agriculture, water, consciousness, applied quantum physics, health, energy, the environment, radionics, Tesla, Reich, Rife, homeopathy, magnetic healing, etc.Offers courses and apprenticeships in organic and bio-dynamic agriculture. Home of Christopher Bird Chapter of The American Society of Dowsers." That tells me all I need to know.. .....3 ...... Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 06/30/1999 Author: Mr~Brainsample In article <7ldj0f$juf$1@nnrp1.deja.com>,  rebb4019@my-deja.com wrote: > Hello: I've been searching for criticism about a book called "The Secret Lives of Plants" by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird. Haven't found any. Can anyone help me?  Thank you, Rebecca Bryant< When looking for something as obscure as that I often have luck by doing a power search on Deja. You may have to find the name of a specific newsgroup which might apply - such as sci.biology.botany or something like that.  With my ISP news server, I pull down "subscribe to news" and wait for the list of newsgroups to download.  Then you can scroll down to the sci. hierarchy to find the name of a newsgroup which might have the information you want. That just gives you the name of a newsgroup.  You then call up a power search on Deja.com and limit your search to that newsgroup, using different keywords or subjects if you don't get the info on the first try. Also, check out the rec. hierarchy for a newsgroup having to do with literary criticism. Mr~Brainsample ........ 4 ......... Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 06/30/1999 Author: b8ovin In the wonderful book, "How To Think About Weird Things", Theodore Shick Jr. and Lewis Vaughn, briefly sum up the whole hypothesis and history of the book and the inspiration for it, Clive Backster's "Evidence of a Primary Perception in Plant Life".   I have read this book and relies primarily on Backster's evidence. Unfortunatly, Backster was a lie detector tester for the FBI, not a botantist or even a scientist. No scientist ever replicated Backster's findings, but that did not prevent Tompkins and Bird from using his ideas as a basis for their own book. For what it's worth, Backster himself was much less confident in many of his findings than the two authors ever let on. I have yet to find a lengthier criticism of the book, perhaps because skeptics feel it was debunked when no credible scientist in the field could replicate it under controlled conditions. Suffice it to say that the claim that plants have intelligence is great, and supporting evidence comes from outside science and remains unproven. Might I respectfully caution the other gentleman responding to this request that nothing can be rationally deduced by someone's involvement in dowsing other than that they support that hypothesis. I only take the time to say this because the road to credibility in reaching those outside the skeptic community is fraught with peril. Making such assumptions plays into the hands of those who dub us closed minded and dismissive. I hope I haven't stepped on feelings by adding this, I just think it's important. Regards, Dave Vaughan ........5 ........ Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 06/30/1999 Author: clawed_le_mew >Might I respectfully caution the other gentleman responding to this request that nothing can be rationally deduced by someone's involvement in dowsing other than that they support that hypothesis.< Not just dowsing, but homeopathy and magnetic therapy. What I deduce from this is that this person dabbles in numerous pseudosciences. Do you find that to be an irrational assumption? >I only take the time to say this because the road to credibility in reaching those outside the skeptic community is fraught with peril.< I assume that this discussion group's audience consists primarily of skeptics. As such, I was not attempting to communicate with anyone outside the skeptic community. If I was, I would have felt I needed to explain myself more clearly. ....... 6 ........ Subject: Re: The Secret Lives of Plants Date: 07/01/1999 Author: forensic_science I don't think Cleve Backster was an FBI polygraph operator.  My recollection is that he was a freelancer.  At the time the experiments were conducted the FBI would never have allowed him to publicize his experiments.  I have always suspected that Backster's results were caused by improperly isolated and shielded circuits.   [이 게시물은 kopsa님에 의해 2007-12-08 23:31:29 공지사항에서 이동 됨]